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welcome everyone to the first live

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Facebook

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of Ryan and Jason talk UFOs and with me

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today is our good friend my mutual rogue

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planet Eire Jason McClellan how's it

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going buddy it is going well I mean I'm

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shut in my house social distancing from

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everybody shut in away from society but

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yeah you know things are good Ryan how

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about you Oh same man I mean the date

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kiss just keeps getting pushed further

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and further back of how long were

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supposed to be quarantine so I'm trying

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to make the best of it trying stuff like

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this this is um a new program we're

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trying out called a stream yard it's a

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um you know and what just a thing that

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can stream to YouTube Facebook and I'm

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just seeing how it works out I don't

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know how we're gonna see the comments on

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Facebook so I've got my iPad pulled up

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here just in case if anyone wants to

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leave comments or questions but yeah we

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kind of we're just gonna talk shop today

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and you know talk about some of the

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stuff we've got going on at rogue planet

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what we're personally doing in terms of

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research and stuff like that so um yeah

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my man let some now I'm talking UFOs

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we're just gonna talk UFOs I know before

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we do that I did not tell you this Jason

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we do have a sponsor for this episode

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sweet yeah that is old tone roasters out

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of Santa Ana California I'm drinking the

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rocket fuel right now packaging thank

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you yeah yeah yeah thank you I did it

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myself no I got to pull this up here

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before I forget yeah so this is my

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master roaster Sean Anderson out of

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Santa Ana California he and his

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girlfriend own a coffee roasting place

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and they sent me a ton of bags of coffee

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so I am highly caffeinated for however

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long this quarantine lasts for so I have

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them to thank for that but I highly

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suggest people go check out their web

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site old town roasting calm

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they have artisanal beans they've got

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single origin anything you can possibly

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think from light to dark spectrum so if

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you're a coffee snob like me go check

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them out

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again that is old town roasting calm so

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thank you to them but getting back to

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UFOs Jason pardon the dogs barking and

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the trains going by that is the ambiance

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here in New York City yeah I love it man

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I wouldn't trade it for anything in our

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current world with you know everybody

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doing meetings over video conferencing

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and stuff like this that's like the new

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normal and I kind of love it right yeah

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I'm on video conferences every single

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day with colleagues and people around

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the world and that's just a thing that I

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frankly look forward to because it

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provides some some light-hearted light

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heartedness and laughter when you're in

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a meeting and you see somebody he's like

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kid jump in there laughs he's gonna

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catch up on their head or we're all

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going through this right now together

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and that just makes everybody laugh

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who's on the call it's great to see and

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it sort of humanizes oh absolutely this

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is you're right you're right this is

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kind of like a new normal I mean who

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knows how long this is gonna last and

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then whenever we are going back to our

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jobs or back out into society as it were

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companies and businesses being like mmm

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home like why spend rent on a building

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and offices and this and that like let's

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just do it this way so I'm really

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interested to see other than the economy

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obviously and and health being the the

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main priority how things come out on the

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other side with this in terms of how

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people interact and businesses do

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business it'll be interesting for sure

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we'll be yeah it's a it's sort of a big

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experiment right now yeah yeah a big

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social experiment whether we want it or

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not I guess let's see here I'm just

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making sure we are live we are good

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we've got six comments already here on

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Facebook I don't know how to pull these

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up oh that's not good sorry bear with us

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guys we're just we're just it's all part

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of the process of testing it is let's do

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this I'm going to turn my

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volume off pull this up just because I

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can I'm telling already that the stream

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yard chat or what do we have here I

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think you actually have to be registered

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to comment in that so I'm just gonna

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check here I think it's part of the

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settings I think you can require people

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to be registered okay they have to sign

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in with either YouTube or Facebook okay

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gotcha gotcha so lesson one for me for

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the next time so guys I'll make sure we

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do that but um let's see we got um hi

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Kristy Ellen David when everyone hopping

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in right now feel free to put questions

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in I'll try to get to them if I can get

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to them but yeah Jason let's sort of um

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let's talk shop here first and foremost

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with COBIT 19 and how this is affecting

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companies and businesses did you see

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that Bob Bigelow had to layoff his

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entire crew over at Bigelow Aerospace

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yeah that was crazy and you know we'll

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eventually hear what the real story is

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but their official word from the company

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is that this is in direct response to a

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couple 19 and and the governor there in

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Nevada declaring you know what

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businesses are essential and which ones

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aren't and aerospace is not so they

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promptly laid 100 percent of their

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workers off right and people familiar

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with the company and in former employees

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of the company have asserted that this

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is more than that actually that there's

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a total liquidation of the entire

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company and yeah our face is gonna be no

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more much yeah it's not the case because

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they are a leader in the private space

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industry and they've done some

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incredible things and had a lot of

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exciting things forthcoming so it'll be

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interesting to see what happens when we

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reach the end of all of this right same

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with a lot of companies you know and no

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are doing a lot of work from home right

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now but Bigelow Aerospace made it clear

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that's not what we're doing

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storm of Kovan 19 mixed with a lot of

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business stuff so I guess

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we'll see but um we are never done

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talking about Bob Bigelow with his

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connections to skinwalker ranch this is

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something you posted over at rogue

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planet so everyone go visit rogue planet

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TV for the latest news on UFOs and

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everything paranormal and strange

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related we got some good stuff going on

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over there as we are stuck in self

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quarantine ourselves but um you recently

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isn't of skinwalker ranch could you

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maybe run us through the night is it

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tonight actually a starry night it's

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stealing your thunder okay Pacific I

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believe but yeah that's happening

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tonight it's a 12-hour basically live

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it's a youtube link so you've got the

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article the youtube link is there so

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it's YouTube live people be able to

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and basically conduct surveillance for

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12 hours yeah this is of course to

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promote the History Channel's new show

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the secret of skinwalker ranch right

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right which I'm actually looking forward

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to I mean we've had on for the

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skinwalker the book and the documentary

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our advice news with MJ pan is going to

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the ranch and actually getting to go

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around and see what's going on but now

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it looks like we're gonna get the most

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you know experience to look at it to

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actually see what they're doing what

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they've discovered so what do you think

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what do you think is gonna come out of

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this show anything good or is this gonna

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entertainment shows I think we're going

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to get a better glimpse of what

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skinwalker ranch is and perhaps some of

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the things going on there it it's gonna

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be hard to to know exactly how to take

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what we see and what we're delivered

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right because this is just a it's a

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History Channel show and I love History

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Channel but you know people have to keep

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in mind that it's an entertainment show

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it's designed to to inform

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but mostly entertain it's got to be

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entertaining to be on TV and to get

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ratings and to get another season and

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they put a lot of money into this show

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so you know I think we'll see I hope we

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see a lot of flashy tech and and you

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know experiments and stuff going on and

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that's that's sort of what they promised

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you know with their scientific team on

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the ranch conducting these experiments

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and trying to better understand the

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crazy stuff that's happening there so I

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think we'll get a better better glimpse

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than we ever have and I'll be optimistic

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and think that you know some good stuff

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will come out of it

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but in the end it's it's an entertaining

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show but now I'm happy that we're

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finally getting on the ranch and sadly

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this is probably as close to the ranch

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all over again

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possibly possibly a lot of us thought

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you know as this thing was unfolding

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that possibly it would be open to the

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public we'd have a paranormal theme park

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at our fingertips but the owner has made

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it very clear that is not the case you

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know and I think that's probably a good

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move but at the same time I would love

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that you know and I would not hold it

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against him if he went back on that word

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and said you know what there's been so

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much to man

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do we've decided we're gonna let people

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buy tickets and come on the ranch yeah

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yeah I mean I remember one of my one of

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my biggest questions for MJ when he went

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to interview the the new owner who's a

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name is escaping me at the moment I

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don't know if you know that offhand no

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but I know he follows me on Twitter oh

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hey that's bragging rights um well that

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being said I asked MJ did the new owner

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ever talk to Bigelow like did they

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exchange notes on what he did at the

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ranch during his time investigating with

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mids and now and MJ said they met over

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coffee and like a walk around the ranch

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and that was about it no information was

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exchanged nothing was handed over in

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terms of evidence or files or documents

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so who knows we're kind of starting from

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scratch I guess in terms of this yeah I

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I'm sure if information was shared

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you know and I've heard so many weird

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stories about him but I still always say

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I would love to grab a drink with him

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and just spend some time picking his

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weird brain I I love people who are

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fascinated by the strange and he is

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certainly somebody extremely fascinated

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by all things strange and has spent

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probably the most money of any private

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person on investigating this strange

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so Bigelow man cool guy the Brandon

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Brandon is the the current owner awesome

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Google perfect thanks man let's see um

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oh this is a good question actually over

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on Facebook before I get to our other

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stuff um

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ash asks have you guys noticed an

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increase in sighting reports since we

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started going into lockdown and

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quarantine that's been a big question

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actually out in the UFO community I've

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noticed is are are things increasing

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since everyone's home or are they

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decreasing because we're all stuck

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inside I've sort of heard both sides of

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that you know talking to Cheryl Kosta

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like the number one sighting statistic

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person out there and a few other MUFON

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investigators it's kind of a being and

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flowing but yeah do you have anything to

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add to that one Jason yeah this is

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something we brought up on a recent

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episode of unknown you know in our UFO

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happy hour we all talked about this and

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you know it's it's a weird time right

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now because I think yeah Cheryl's a good

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source to go to and it would be good to

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dig in to MUFON and the national UFO

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Reporting Center to to see what their

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actual numbers are see you know if

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people are reporting UFO sightings right

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now we have people shut inside right I

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mean people are still going outside but

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mostly people are shut inside right now

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they're not doing their daily commute to

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work to and from work there they're

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doing less travel outside so and that's

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when a lot of this stuff happens however

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one of the biggest biggest times when

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people see UFOs is when they're out

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walking their dogs and people are still

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doing that I don't really to be honest

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yeah but you know our exposure to the

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outdoors is reduced right now so I

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suspect it's going down

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but again people who track this stuff

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and certainly we're talking about the

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reported UFO sightings not actual UFO

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sightings because those are two

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different things and you can never know

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if true UFO sightings are up and down

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it's just the number that are reported

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to the UFO reporting agencies and that's

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something we'll do we're gonna follow up

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with those guys and see how those

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numbers look since the lockdown right

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and you know other than MUFON or the

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what's the one generating center ere we

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go national UFO Reporting Center if

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anyone out there sees anything strange

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in the sky either contact one of these

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organizations or reach out to us you

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know email us send us a facebook message

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like we were we're trapped inside just

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like everyone else

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so if we can investigate from here or

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even look at stuff from here like we'll

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definitely do it so yeah yeah for sure

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uh well speaking of quarantine seems to

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be the running theme right now we won't

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stress it too much but uh we also came

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out with an article over at rogue planet

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recently about UFO content to stream

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while quarantined this is a fun one I

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was sick of watching stuff so I thought

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you know rather than being a consumer

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let me be a producer for once so I just

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put together a list of all the UFO

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content I could possibly think of that's

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out there right now that I find

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interesting and some of my favorites um

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so again go check out real clinic TV to

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read that list but I know there was a

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lot of on there Jason but I'm sure there

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stuff I missed or stuff that I like and

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you might not or you might like I might

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not so yeah what did you think of the

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list did anything stick out to you and

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what did I miss

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did I miss anything I'm sure you missed

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plenty but nothing that they came to

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mind when I was flipping through it you

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actually gave me a lot of ideas when I

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was scrolling through it you did such a

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kick-ass job putting this together very

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very good job and you know it's it's

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funny I'm embarrassed to say it but you

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know when I got to the bottom and saw a

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good old project Bluebook

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that reminded me I still haven't

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finished project Bluebook yes well I

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forgot it in the original list that was

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an addendum to it and I felt really bad

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cuz

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I literally watch the finale probably an

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hour before I started putting this

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together so well yeah you fit it in

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there and something will be able to add

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that we should go back and add starting

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tomorrow is of course the secretive

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skinwalker ranch that debuts tomorrow

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oh yeah and won't constantly be updating

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the list when stuff comes to me I'll

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throw it in there and put up a link or

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whatever but um yeah if anyone's

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interested again rogue planet TB you've

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got a whole list X Files is on there of

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course our mutual friend Bryce Abel show

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dark skies is not streaming but you know

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there's ways I'm not going to say how to

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watch it but you can also purchase the

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DVD set on Amazon it's pretty cheap from

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what I remember but there's we should

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talk Bryce into doing is doing some sort

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of like watch party or something yeah

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that's a great idea I kept in showing it

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and commenting on it that'd be super fun

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I know David O'Leary with Project Blue

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Book was live tweeting as the show was

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going so yeah maybe we should get Bryce

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to do that kind of like a play-by-play

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because it was a heavy heavy production

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show I mean we're talking like a period

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piece and the costumes were amazing the

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sets and locations were incredible

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I know NBC pumped a lot of money into it

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back when it first aired so definitely

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go check out that list there's a new one

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that I've been watching that my

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girlfriend actually brought to my

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attention that I'd never heard of this

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is on Disney Plus it's called so weird

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and it's like a a version of The X Files

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but for for kids and that does not take

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away from how good the show is it's

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corny it's a little kitschy but it's

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about this young girl named fille who

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runs a paranormal website and she's on

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the road with her mom who's like a rock

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star so her mom is traveling the country

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and fees with her and every town they

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stop and she is investigating some sort

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of paranormal activity

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everything from UFOs to ghosts to to the

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Marfa lights and everything in between

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Bigfoot there's a good Bigfoot up it's

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super cool man and this is like at the

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advent of the Internet so you've got her

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sir

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dealing with early um forums in like you

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know Facebook enough Facebook whoa

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Facebook wait after that um chat rooms

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and all that good stuff and it's

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actually a really good show so if anyone

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nice Nizhny plus go check out so weird

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I'm I'm just in love with this show

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right now we're watching at least one a

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night and there's three seasons I think

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so yeah that was a good one for sure but

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yeah let's see what else I got here in

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terms of talking shop Oh

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in terms of podcast content Jason um you

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did some really cool solo shows over at

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the unknown podcast through broke planet

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in a couple um I just listened to you

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recently and the first one I wanted to

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talk to you about is alien life on Mars

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no I know this is a topic that is near

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and dear to your heart any time we talk

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about life on Mars your ears and eyes

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just perk up so um yeah give it to us

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what was this episode about and is there

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anything you can share with us about it

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so really the episode just kind of gives

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a very brief overview of a couple of

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highlights from you know over the years

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historically looking at what various

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scientists thought when they were

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looking at the red planet you know from

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first of all Lowell thinking that he saw

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artificial canals on Mars

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you know HG Welles War of the Worlds you

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know back in 1896 or whenever that was

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you know that making everybody scared of

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Martian invasion you know the the

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thought of life on Mars has been around

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for a while but scientists have

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certainly been looking at that and and

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assuming that that's the case for a

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while but you know when our technology

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got better and our telescopes got better

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and we actually went to Mars some of

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those things started going away but not

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completely they're still scientists and

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and many missions that support the idea

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that life has been there and may still

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be there whether we're talking about

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intelligent life or not that's that's

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another issue but talking this

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about microbial life you know it's still

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mainstream sciences notion that no there

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is not life on Mars however NASA

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missions are pointed to you by some

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scientists saying that NASA missions on

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Mars have indeed discovered microbial

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extraterrestrial life and I recently

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posted a photo on social media I'm

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posting everyday at trying to every day

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post a photo from something related to

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my UFO career and I posted a photo of

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Richard Hoover Richard Hoover is career

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astrobiologists who spent decades as an

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astrobiologist he still is he's still a

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professor but astrobiologists who

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started NASA's astrobiology program so

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the dude knows his stuff when it comes

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to astrobiology and you know he's

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publicly stated many times and written

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peer-reviewed papers asserting that we

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found extraterrestrial life both in

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meteorites here on earth and fossilized

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microbes on Mars so that's fascinating

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stuff you know of course any time

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somebody makes a claim like that people

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in the scientific community typically

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like to say oh yeah the guy's crazy

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doesn't know what he's talking about I

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was just gonna ask you that I mean when

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a paper or a claim comes out like that

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without peer review I mean it's just one

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man's word but I wanted to ask you now

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how that reaction happens though you

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know that this person can be a leader in

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their field and somebody who spent you

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know 40 years or whatever as a leading

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astrobiologists that is their field that

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is what they know this isn't something

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that they just researched for a little

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bit on the internet and they've been

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doing this for a couple months first guy

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had his entire career devoted to this he

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knows what fossilized life looks like

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and so as soon as he makes a claim and

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people say oh the guy doesn't know what

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he's talking about

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you know I mean maybe maybe he's crazy

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you know that's always a possibility it

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gets lost it but on the other hand here

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is a guy who is a leader in his field

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has done this his entire life kind of

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knows what he's talking about

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so you know those kind of things make me

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perk up

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listen and pay attention when experts

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like that because he is an expert you

541
00:22:46,610 --> 00:22:44,370
know make a claim like that yeah yeah I

542
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:46,620
mean and we both met him too he

543
00:22:50,810 --> 00:22:49,050
absolutely I would I'd like to thank you

544
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:50,820
and I are a good judge of character but

545
00:22:56,180 --> 00:22:53,850
you know who are we to truly say but in

546
00:22:58,820 --> 00:22:56,190
terms of meeting him and hearing him out

547
00:23:01,340 --> 00:22:58,830
and seeing how genuine he was about

548
00:23:02,540 --> 00:23:01,350
everything I mean I have no choice but

549
00:23:05,540 --> 00:23:02,550
to at least entertain the possibility

550
00:23:07,820 --> 00:23:05,550
that he's telling the truth I mean he's

551
00:23:10,220 --> 00:23:07,830
got a lot to lose by coming forward and

552
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:10,230
saying things like this look at how the

553
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:12,930
scientist and that's what he's basing

554
00:23:17,690 --> 00:23:15,600
this on is science and his career as an

555
00:23:20,570 --> 00:23:17,700
astrobiologist so right you know you

556
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,580
have to consider that okay also in the

557
00:23:23,420 --> 00:23:22,320
podcast they talk about when my favorite

558
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:23,430
things to talk about when talking about

559
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:26,490
extraterrestrial life and habitability

560
00:23:32,510 --> 00:23:29,850
on other worlds is lava tubes these

561
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:32,520
caves that exist on both the Moon and

562
00:23:37,700 --> 00:23:35,280
Mars and they are the most likely place

563
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:37,710
for life to exist on both of those

564
00:23:41,180 --> 00:23:39,600
worlds because they're shielded from

565
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:41,190
harsh elements like radiation and things

566
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:44,490
like that and they conceivably provide a

567
00:23:49,790 --> 00:23:47,610
suitable habitat for certainly microbial

568
00:23:52,970 --> 00:23:49,800
life and possibly even life like us I

569
00:23:54,980 --> 00:23:52,980
mean NASA and other space organizations

570
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:54,990
have explored these lava tubes as

571
00:24:00,020 --> 00:23:57,330
possible places for us to go for humans

572
00:24:02,030 --> 00:24:00,030
when we do man missions on these bodies

573
00:24:04,700 --> 00:24:02,040
to be able to go down in there and build

574
00:24:07,940 --> 00:24:04,710
habitats because we'd be shielded from

575
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:07,950
everything and it's a perfect like cave

576
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:11,250
world yeah yeah that is pretty cool um

577
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:14,730
well I mean have we heard anything I

578
00:24:20,060 --> 00:24:15,890
don't know if you've been following

579
00:24:22,370 --> 00:24:20,070
space news in terms of NASA how are they

580
00:24:24,140 --> 00:24:22,380
been affected by everything that's going

581
00:24:26,660 --> 00:24:24,150
on in the world right now I mean do

582
00:24:28,580 --> 00:24:26,670
missions continue I mean I know we have

583
00:24:31,130 --> 00:24:28,590
satellites out there we've got the

584
00:24:33,380 --> 00:24:31,140
International Space Station so like

585
00:24:35,780 --> 00:24:33,390
what's going on with all that I wonder

586
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:35,790
in terms of all this space stuff is

587
00:24:39,170 --> 00:24:37,290
still going on I mean it's it's hugely

588
00:24:42,410 --> 00:24:39,180
impacted like you said a lot of the you

589
00:24:44,270 --> 00:24:42,420
know rocket scientists and stuff we're

590
00:24:45,620 --> 00:24:44,280
working from home I hope a lot of them

591
00:24:48,740 --> 00:24:45,630
build rockets in their garage because

592
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:48,750
that would be awesome but yeah I know

593
00:24:51,380 --> 00:24:50,010
it's all impacted right

594
00:24:55,130 --> 00:24:51,390
now the space missions are still

595
00:24:56,750 --> 00:24:55,140
happening I don't know how and what the

596
00:24:58,520 --> 00:24:56,760
regulations are on it

597
00:25:00,620 --> 00:24:58,530
you know what's delaying it but I know

598
00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:00,630
SpaceX is still launching stuff I know

599
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:02,310
the space force is getting ready to

600
00:25:05,420 --> 00:25:03,690
launch its first satellite into orbit

601
00:25:08,420 --> 00:25:05,430
and I think that's happening this week

602
00:25:10,850 --> 00:25:08,430
or next week so it's still happening

603
00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:10,860
yeah yeah I know I know it is

604
00:25:17,270 --> 00:25:12,840
tremendously impacted right now I know

605
00:25:21,470 --> 00:25:17,280
the two trillion dollar stimulus relief

606
00:25:23,090 --> 00:25:21,480
bill includes money for NASA so hey they

607
00:25:25,670 --> 00:25:23,100
could take my twelve hundred bucks or

608
00:25:28,550 --> 00:25:25,680
whatever it is you know if it's gonna

609
00:25:30,740 --> 00:25:28,560
mean that we can go live on Mars and get

610
00:25:35,090 --> 00:25:30,750
past this pandemic that I'm all for it I

611
00:25:37,610 --> 00:25:35,100
guess I love space exploration yeah yeah

612
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:37,620
awesome well the next episode I wanted

613
00:25:42,830 --> 00:25:40,170
to cover with you Jason is the Canary

614
00:25:45,020 --> 00:25:42,840
Island Matthew fo7 I never heard of this

615
00:25:47,330 --> 00:25:45,030
one before so I don't know how that

616
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:47,340
happened but yeah would you mind maybe

617
00:25:50,530 --> 00:25:49,530
giving us a brief synopsis of what this

618
00:25:54,740 --> 00:25:50,540
is about

619
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:54,750
well this one is interesting and you

620
00:26:00,370 --> 00:25:56,640
know I hope people go and listen to the

621
00:26:08,050 --> 00:26:05,720
something that was included as a you

622
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:08,060
know some of the best ask UFO evidence

623
00:26:15,130 --> 00:26:10,170
there is I mean we're talking about

624
00:26:19,670 --> 00:26:15,140
something that so Laurance Rockefeller

625
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:19,680
funded a report basically that was sent

626
00:26:25,010 --> 00:26:22,050
to the White House and sent to members

627
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:25,020
of Congress and I know a lot of new

628
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:29,490
people to the UFO study of UFOs will you

629
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:31,200
know be surprised by that because

630
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:32,850
everybody's thinking that right now with

631
00:26:39,620 --> 00:26:36,240
a tip and and you know the Nimitz case

632
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:39,630
and getting Congress members to you know

633
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:41,450
pay attention to UFOs for the first time

634
00:26:45,710 --> 00:26:44,610
it's not actually the case I mean this

635
00:26:48,410 --> 00:26:45,720
has happened many times throughout

636
00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:48,420
history where information like this has

637
00:26:52,490 --> 00:26:50,820
been sent to to members of Congress has

638
00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:52,500
been sent to members of the White House

639
00:26:58,850 --> 00:26:55,500
and Laurance Rockefeller big money man

640
00:27:01,850 --> 00:26:58,860
big philanthropist a lot of money back

641
00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:01,860
in the day for UFO related research and

642
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:03,510
one of the things he funded

643
00:27:07,970 --> 00:27:06,210
this report that was sent out it's

644
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:07,980
called the unidentified flying objects

645
00:27:13,790 --> 00:27:09,570
briefing document the best available

646
00:27:15,470 --> 00:27:13,800
evidence and it included this case that

647
00:27:18,770 --> 00:27:15,480
you mentioned that it covered in the

648
00:27:20,750 --> 00:27:18,780
podcast episode happened in 1976 and

649
00:27:25,340 --> 00:27:20,760
this was on the Spanish Canary Islands

650
00:27:28,610 --> 00:27:25,350
it was basically a luminous phenomenon

651
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:28,620
that happened big big bright light it

652
00:27:34,580 --> 00:27:30,930
was seen by thousands of people on three

653
00:27:37,340 --> 00:27:34,590
different islands and the Air Force the

654
00:27:40,430 --> 00:27:37,350
Spanish Air Force conducted an official

655
00:27:42,290 --> 00:27:40,440
investigation and it's so cool going

656
00:27:46,100 --> 00:27:42,300
through see how they did their

657
00:27:48,590 --> 00:27:46,110
investigation because the we're really

658
00:27:51,470 --> 00:27:48,600
responsible in sort of coming up with a

659
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:51,480
system of grouping witnesses into

660
00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:54,890
different categories of what would

661
00:28:00,740 --> 00:27:58,530
typically be be considered more credible

662
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:00,750
you know they put people like doctors

663
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:05,250
and the more terrible category or any

664
00:28:10,550 --> 00:28:08,640
law enforcement mental institution I

665
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:10,560
don't know but yeah needed people and

666
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:12,710
and you know gave gave their testimony

667
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:15,930
more credence depending on their level

668
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:19,290
of credibility so these were really

669
00:28:26,510 --> 00:28:24,290
credible people backing up this weird

670
00:28:29,390 --> 00:28:26,520
bright lights in the sky but people had

671
00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:29,400
different experiences that night and one

672
00:28:34,430 --> 00:28:31,710
of the weirdest was a doctor who said he

673
00:28:35,870 --> 00:28:34,440
saw a craft and insightly was like in

674
00:28:38,060 --> 00:28:35,880
front of him and so big that he could

675
00:28:41,980 --> 00:28:38,070
see like a control panel and see like

676
00:28:45,230 --> 00:28:41,990
humanoid figures inside this craft how

677
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:45,240
thousands of people saw this it was you

678
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:47,130
know a military investigation and I love

679
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:48,210
cases that involve

680
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:51,210
military investigations yeah yeah I mean

681
00:28:56,210 --> 00:28:53,970
that's where it's at I mean in terms of

682
00:28:59,090 --> 00:28:56,220
legitimacy and documentation that's

683
00:29:01,250 --> 00:28:59,100
where we're gonna get it we've got a ton

684
00:29:04,340 --> 00:29:01,260
of project Bluebook cases to look at but

685
00:29:06,170 --> 00:29:04,350
when it comes to you know the Navy

686
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:06,180
reporting stuff that's where we're

687
00:29:11,810 --> 00:29:08,250
getting all the videos nowadays so I

688
00:29:13,970 --> 00:29:11,820
understand why I think everyone's

689
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:13,980
focusing on military UFO encounters

690
00:29:17,299 --> 00:29:16,410
right now it's because that's what's out

691
00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:17,309
there and those

692
00:29:23,090 --> 00:29:19,769
the people talking about it so if it's a

693
00:29:26,570 --> 00:29:23,100
threat to national security like certain

694
00:29:28,999 --> 00:29:26,580
organizations are saying then yeah I

695
00:29:31,460 --> 00:29:29,009
guess we should look at it but um we

696
00:29:33,850 --> 00:29:31,470
both know that these things have effects

697
00:29:36,739 --> 00:29:33,860
on more than just the military and so

698
00:29:40,340 --> 00:29:36,749
many cases where people have had

699
00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:40,350
physical effects after a UFO sighting

700
00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:44,129
whether it's radiation or you know loss

701
00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:46,710
of hair or like everything you can think

702
00:29:50,299 --> 00:29:49,529
of scorch marks on their bodies it's

703
00:29:53,779 --> 00:29:50,309
pretty crazy

704
00:29:56,269 --> 00:29:53,789
yeah yeah I remember reading a massive

705
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:56,279
article recently about the physical

706
00:30:01,009 --> 00:29:59,279
effects on humans from UFOs and then we

707
00:30:03,499 --> 00:30:01,019
came to find out that this is something

708
00:30:05,659 --> 00:30:03,509
that a tip the program actually looked

709
00:30:08,210 --> 00:30:05,669
at so that's that's pretty interesting

710
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:08,220
in my opinion for sure on that topic you

711
00:30:13,310 --> 00:30:10,080
know of course I always recommend that

712
00:30:15,259 --> 00:30:13,320
people look into the Caloris case yeah

713
00:30:17,749 --> 00:30:15,269
Island and that's one above Bigelow's

714
00:30:19,940 --> 00:30:17,759
favorites just so you know but the

715
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:19,950
Caloris you know you talk about about

716
00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:23,279
physical you know evidence physical

717
00:30:28,759 --> 00:30:26,129
contact physical harm caused by UFOs

718
00:30:31,450 --> 00:30:28,769
that case is fascinating and that case

719
00:30:34,399 --> 00:30:31,460
investigated by the military Oh daddy

720
00:30:37,639 --> 00:30:34,409
well then we move on to pilots

721
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:37,649
encountering UFOs over Portugal can you

722
00:30:42,739 --> 00:30:39,450
tell us a little about this group okay

723
00:30:45,230 --> 00:30:42,749
so again pilots we love the cases that

724
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:45,240
have pilots right because pilots are in

725
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:47,279
the air so they're they're used to

726
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:49,049
seeing the things that are normally in

727
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:51,570
the air and when something is in the air

728
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:54,570
with them that behaves differently or

729
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:55,679
doesn't look like what they're used to

730
00:31:02,119 --> 00:30:57,840
seeing it sort of sets off alarms for

731
00:31:05,450 --> 00:31:02,129
them and you know their their testimony

732
00:31:07,639 --> 00:31:05,460
their recounting what happens to them is

733
00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:07,649
always fascinating to listen to you and

734
00:31:12,139 --> 00:31:10,049
in this episode I covered a couple

735
00:31:16,460 --> 00:31:12,149
different incidents that happen one

736
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:16,470
going all the way back to 1957 but you

737
00:31:22,249 --> 00:31:18,090
know these were military people taking

738
00:31:25,940 --> 00:31:22,259
off from the Portuguese Air Force flying

739
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:25,950
and encountering multiple UFOs and this

740
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:29,039
is you know an encounter that we hear

741
00:31:33,860 --> 00:31:31,650
quite quite regularly

742
00:31:35,630 --> 00:31:33,870
you know where you have what people like

743
00:31:38,510 --> 00:31:35,640
to call a mothership basically a larger

744
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:38,520
object and then at some point during the

745
00:31:43,670 --> 00:31:41,010
encounter smaller objects seemingly

746
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:43,680
emerge from that that initially sighted

747
00:31:50,210 --> 00:31:48,570
object and then perform what seemed to

748
00:31:53,170 --> 00:31:50,220
be incredible maneuvers

749
00:31:56,330 --> 00:31:53,180
you know performing incredible speeds

750
00:32:00,340 --> 00:31:56,340
hovering and then shooting out of sight

751
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:00,350
and that's what these guys saw and there

752
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:03,570
was another incident with a plane that

753
00:32:09,460 --> 00:32:05,970
flew out of the same airbase but this

754
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:09,470
was in 1982 so many years later and

755
00:32:15,260 --> 00:32:11,730
pilot encountered you know another

756
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:15,270
object that performed incredible

757
00:32:20,620 --> 00:32:18,450
maneuvers seemingly impossible going

758
00:32:22,790 --> 00:32:20,630
faster than then this guy could go

759
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:22,800
hovering over him and shooting off out

760
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:27,120
of sight and fortunately for him the Air

761
00:32:32,090 --> 00:32:29,600
Force wanted to investigate it because

762
00:32:35,660 --> 00:32:32,100
the person in charge of the

763
00:32:38,990 --> 00:32:35,670
investigations was the captain from the

764
00:32:41,450 --> 00:32:39,000
1957 sighting really he had an ally on

765
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:41,460
the inside who took the UFO seriously

766
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,050
because of what he experienced back in

767
00:32:47,630 --> 00:32:45,360
1957 and he said yes we're going to

768
00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:47,640
investigate this was taken very

769
00:32:52,820 --> 00:32:49,310
seriously by the Portuguese Air Force

770
00:32:55,790 --> 00:32:52,830
they never identified or solved either

771
00:32:59,840 --> 00:32:55,800
of these these instances but you know

772
00:33:02,630 --> 00:32:59,850
the the chief of staff there took UFOs

773
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:02,640
very seriously yeah yeah we do know that

774
00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:05,250
a lot of other places in the world UFOs

775
00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:07,260
are taking a lot more seriously by the

776
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:10,260
government in the military and they

777
00:33:15,050 --> 00:33:12,570
actually accept it and investigate it

778
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:15,060
whereas we either did it in secret here

779
00:33:19,220 --> 00:33:16,650
in the United States or we just flat-out

780
00:33:21,380 --> 00:33:19,230
denied it as a legitimate phenomenon so

781
00:33:24,590 --> 00:33:21,390
it's good to hear that other countries

782
00:33:26,990 --> 00:33:24,600
are taking it seriously and the that

783
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:27,000
case actually reminds me a lot of the

784
00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:30,240
Tehran incident 76 I mean you have this

785
00:33:36,380 --> 00:33:32,910
massive object where other smaller

786
00:33:40,190 --> 00:33:36,390
objects came out of it went towards

787
00:33:42,170 --> 00:33:40,200
these pilots these fighter jets had sort

788
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:42,180
of a dogfight and then reattached to the

789
00:33:46,659 --> 00:33:44,090
main object so I'm

790
00:33:49,899 --> 00:33:46,669
I mean what is that are these like sort

791
00:33:52,570 --> 00:33:49,909
of like drone technology within a huge

792
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:52,580
mother ship of some sort um I don't know

793
00:33:57,820 --> 00:33:55,279
but it is fascinating that a lot of the

794
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,830
reports sort of lean that way even going

795
00:34:03,039 --> 00:33:59,360
all the way up to the Nimitz event of

796
00:34:05,740 --> 00:34:03,049
what was it 2004 right yeah I mean we've

797
00:34:07,659 --> 00:34:05,750
got the tick tack and we're told there

798
00:34:10,450 --> 00:34:07,669
were tons of these things not just the

799
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:10,460
one we see in the the camera footage and

800
00:34:17,169 --> 00:34:13,010
that they came from something massive

801
00:34:19,810 --> 00:34:17,179
down in the water so what is going on

802
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:19,820
with UFOs in terms of like smaller

803
00:34:25,240 --> 00:34:23,119
object objects dislodging and then doing

804
00:34:27,940 --> 00:34:25,250
the business and then going back to the

805
00:34:29,530 --> 00:34:27,950
the big one I don't know but that's what

806
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:29,540
we're hearing from all of these pilots

807
00:34:36,369 --> 00:34:32,330
and the cool thing about the the Canary

808
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:36,379
Islands case is you know it's it's just

809
00:34:43,149 --> 00:34:38,810
one example that's it's sort of similar

810
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:43,159
to you know talking about Nimitz in that

811
00:34:52,089 --> 00:34:50,240
an entire entire military ship everybody

812
00:34:55,930 --> 00:34:52,099
on the ship all of these military

813
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:55,940
personnel witnessed the whatever it was

814
00:35:00,160 --> 00:34:57,650
in the sky as well you have lots of

815
00:35:01,780 --> 00:35:00,170
military witnesses combined with these

816
00:35:04,270 --> 00:35:01,790
thousands of residents from the Canary

817
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:04,280
Islands who witnessed up right right

818
00:35:07,470 --> 00:35:05,810
yeah so I mean we're not just talking

819
00:35:10,060 --> 00:35:07,480
the pilots you know we're talking about

820
00:35:11,980 --> 00:35:10,070
hundreds of people seeing these and you

821
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:11,990
know video is one thing but then when

822
00:35:15,940 --> 00:35:13,910
you actually get the testimony of the

823
00:35:17,620 --> 00:35:15,950
radar operator or the personnel on the

824
00:35:21,310 --> 00:35:17,630
deck like that's what we can really

825
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,320
start to formulate a timeline and a

826
00:35:26,650 --> 00:35:23,599
solid case because without it we've just

827
00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:26,660
got a 20 second video with no context so

828
00:35:31,690 --> 00:35:28,310
yeah that's what I love witness

829
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:31,700
testimony so much well speaking of that

830
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:34,730
I got to ask you Jason um besides what

831
00:35:45,890 --> 00:35:42,220
is there that one case that you turn to

832
00:35:48,349 --> 00:35:45,900
when a skeptic comes to you or someone

833
00:35:50,660 --> 00:35:48,359
who doesn't think or talk about UFOs on

834
00:35:52,849 --> 00:35:50,670
a daily basis like we do is there one

835
00:35:55,730 --> 00:35:52,859
case that you turn them to to say look

836
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:55,740
if you really want to know and you want

837
00:36:01,609 --> 00:35:57,450
the most convincing evidence like this

838
00:36:04,210 --> 00:36:01,619
is what I go to anything well it's

839
00:36:06,589 --> 00:36:04,220
interesting because definitely right now

840
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:06,599
if I'm talking to somebody from the

841
00:36:12,290 --> 00:36:09,210
general public the recent military

842
00:36:14,450 --> 00:36:12,300
encounters have given us exactly what I

843
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:14,460
think people need you know it's a great

844
00:36:21,170 --> 00:36:17,280
introduction and something that is hard

845
00:36:24,620 --> 00:36:21,180
to deny when you can bring a present-day

846
00:36:27,410 --> 00:36:24,630
case to people and say look this just

847
00:36:29,060 --> 00:36:27,420
happened and it wasn't some weirdo in

848
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:29,070
the middle of nowhere who saw it by

849
00:36:33,470 --> 00:36:31,170
himself and you know he has a history of

850
00:36:35,150 --> 00:36:33,480
mental illness and all these other

851
00:36:38,210 --> 00:36:35,160
things that people like to think is the

852
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:38,220
the stereotypical UFO sighting this is a

853
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:42,480
military case that was seen by military

854
00:36:46,570 --> 00:36:45,330
people and investigated by the military

855
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:46,580
and the government

856
00:36:51,290 --> 00:36:49,410
and you've how all these different test

857
00:36:55,570 --> 00:36:51,300
people's testimony that you can you can

858
00:36:58,430 --> 00:36:55,580
go to and read you know you've got that

859
00:37:00,680 --> 00:36:58,440
that's easier for people to swallow and

860
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,690
pay attention to in the general public

861
00:37:04,130 --> 00:37:02,640
be able to say wow really the military

862
00:37:06,980 --> 00:37:04,140
did that that's not just some conspiracy

863
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:06,990
theory you know I can actually verify

864
00:37:11,980 --> 00:37:08,880
this the New York Times wrote about it

865
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:11,990
really so you've got these things that

866
00:37:17,420 --> 00:37:15,089
you know are good enough for a lot of

867
00:37:21,290 --> 00:37:17,430
people to a paid to pay attention to as

868
00:37:23,930 --> 00:37:21,300
well as the military's public responses

869
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:23,940
to these things saying that they are

870
00:37:30,050 --> 00:37:27,359
true unknowns and they've changed their

871
00:37:32,030 --> 00:37:30,060
reporting policies because they want you

872
00:37:35,180 --> 00:37:32,040
know their pilots to report UFOs and

873
00:37:38,180 --> 00:37:35,190
more you more pilots talking about yes

874
00:37:40,099 --> 00:37:38,190
we see UFOs all the time so that kind of

875
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:40,109
thing is easier for the general public

876
00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:42,450
to to pay attention to you to swallow

877
00:37:48,410 --> 00:37:44,940
and say wow okay this isn't just some

878
00:37:51,740 --> 00:37:48,420
some ancient aliens TV show telling me

879
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:51,750
this or some my crazy uncle talking

880
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:52,110
about you

881
00:37:56,180 --> 00:37:54,000
beause this is the government this is

882
00:37:57,620 --> 00:37:56,190
the US military talking about this and

883
00:37:59,000 --> 00:37:57,630
this is something that just happened

884
00:38:00,860 --> 00:37:59,010
we're not talking about something that

885
00:38:01,580 --> 00:38:00,870
happened all the way back in 1947 who

886
00:38:05,060 --> 00:38:01,590
cares about that

887
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:05,070
so it's something current it's something

888
00:38:10,490 --> 00:38:08,850
that's official and so I mean that gave

889
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:10,500
us everything that I think we could hope

890
00:38:16,700 --> 00:38:12,930
for in terms of turning people onto the

891
00:38:19,820 --> 00:38:16,710
subject to be able to see people want to

892
00:38:23,690 --> 00:38:19,830
let them you know recognize that yes

893
00:38:26,330 --> 00:38:23,700
UFOs are real yes the you of the the

894
00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:26,340
government acknowledges that there is

895
00:38:31,070 --> 00:38:28,110
stuff flying in our airspace that we

896
00:38:34,010 --> 00:38:31,080
can't identify really good point I mean

897
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:34,020
for so long our government did not admit

898
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:36,810
that UFOs existed but we have that now

899
00:38:41,810 --> 00:38:39,210
we have that by the Navy we have that by

900
00:38:44,540 --> 00:38:41,820
the Pentagon I think now we have to

901
00:38:45,230 --> 00:38:44,550
start asking the harder questions what

902
00:38:47,450 --> 00:38:45,240
are they

903
00:38:49,850 --> 00:38:47,460
who's in control of them what do they

904
00:38:51,980 --> 00:38:49,860
want and are they a danger and I

905
00:38:54,830 --> 00:38:51,990
remember speaking to Leslie Kane

906
00:38:58,910 --> 00:38:54,840
recently about this in terms of UFOs

907
00:39:01,940 --> 00:38:58,920
being a threat and why that's what we're

908
00:39:04,370 --> 00:39:01,950
hearing from the military and it the

909
00:39:06,290 --> 00:39:04,380
answer is actually pretty obvious the

910
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:06,300
military's job is to defend our nation

911
00:39:12,410 --> 00:39:09,330
and that doesn't mean that these UFOs

912
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:12,420
are here to harm us but we've got pilots

913
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:15,200
up there trying to intercept them and

914
00:39:21,650 --> 00:39:19,290
some of them they can't or they're

915
00:39:24,290 --> 00:39:21,660
risking their lives to do it to even

916
00:39:25,850 --> 00:39:24,300
lock on these things I mean think if

917
00:39:28,190 --> 00:39:25,860
something happened with this tick-tack

918
00:39:31,220 --> 00:39:28,200
where one of the planes crashed into the

919
00:39:33,710 --> 00:39:31,230
ocean from following it or this Tehran

920
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:33,720
incident of 76 I mean this thing had a

921
00:39:37,130 --> 00:39:35,280
lock on this pilot and could have killed

922
00:39:40,610 --> 00:39:37,140
him instantly and he risked his life

923
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:40,620
doing a negative G nosedive to outrun it

924
00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:42,690
and he could have died so I think the

925
00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:45,660
threat comes more from our pilots and

926
00:39:50,420 --> 00:39:48,510
our military not knowing how to deal

927
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:50,430
with these things my frustration with

928
00:39:56,690 --> 00:39:54,480
the military deeming UFOs a threat or

929
00:39:59,600 --> 00:39:56,700
not a threat you know like like they've

930
00:40:02,780 --> 00:39:59,610
done and like like the the UK government

931
00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:02,790
has done this is something that I think

932
00:40:05,780 --> 00:40:04,740
a lot of people fall into and it's

933
00:40:09,590 --> 00:40:05,790
dangerous when trying to

934
00:40:13,370 --> 00:40:09,600
you assess a threat not all UFOs are the

935
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:13,380
same right just because you see this UFO

936
00:40:18,770 --> 00:40:15,930
and say that UFOs not a threat that

937
00:40:21,260 --> 00:40:18,780
doesn't mean all UFOs are not a threat

938
00:40:23,780 --> 00:40:21,270
yes right it's not a blanket thing all

939
00:40:25,220 --> 00:40:23,790
UFOs are not the same so that's

940
00:40:26,990 --> 00:40:25,230
something that's impossible to determine

941
00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:27,000
it's got to be done on a case-by-case

942
00:40:33,350 --> 00:40:29,910
basis right you can't identify the

943
00:40:35,210 --> 00:40:33,360
object it's obviously a threat until you

944
00:40:38,990 --> 00:40:35,220
can identify it determine what it is

945
00:40:40,370 --> 00:40:39,000
then you can cross it off but like like

946
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:40,380
you've noted I mean we've had plenty of

947
00:40:44,570 --> 00:40:43,650
examples of UFOs engaging fighter jets

948
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:44,580
and things like that

949
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:46,770
we're they're not necessarily doing

950
00:40:50,510 --> 00:40:48,770
anything that's hostile they're not

951
00:40:54,770 --> 00:40:50,520
hurting anybody

952
00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:54,780
but we also have examples of you know

953
00:41:01,400 --> 00:40:56,940
pilots dying who are involved in these

954
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:01,410
encounters with UFOs we have examples

955
00:41:07,850 --> 00:41:05,610
like Rendlesham forest or Caloris where

956
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:07,860
we've got UFOs like shooting lasers down

957
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:09,450
at the ground and in culeros like

958
00:41:13,460 --> 00:41:11,760
burning people's skin that's clearly a

959
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:13,470
threat like what is that

960
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:16,410
yeah so I mean that's the difficulty

961
00:41:21,260 --> 00:41:18,930
with UFOs every UFO is different every

962
00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:21,270
UFO case is different they're like

963
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:23,310
snowflakes yeah everyone's different

964
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:25,410
well I mean look at every different type

965
00:41:30,740 --> 00:41:28,410
of car out there every type of Cola I

966
00:41:34,010 --> 00:41:30,750
mean it makes sense that they would be

967
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:34,020
built by different different people

968
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:35,760
different races different intelligences

969
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:38,160
so yeah we're talking about the entire

970
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:41,250
the entire universe here right yes

971
00:41:46,190 --> 00:41:43,770
there'll even and beyond I love to do

972
00:41:48,650 --> 00:41:46,200
this is my favorite dumbing down to the

973
00:41:50,330 --> 00:41:48,660
very basic thing that we can we can wrap

974
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:50,340
our heads around just to kind of grasp

975
00:41:55,610 --> 00:41:52,170
how different it would be and think

976
00:41:57,470 --> 00:41:55,620
about like a gas station and think of

977
00:42:00,440 --> 00:41:57,480
three different people going into that

978
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:00,450
same gas station everybody going into

979
00:42:03,770 --> 00:42:02,160
the gas station or like a convenience

980
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:03,780
store you know if that's easier a

981
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:05,760
convenience store not everybody's going

982
00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:07,290
into the convenience store for the same

983
00:42:12,110 --> 00:42:09,510
reason one person could be going in

984
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,120
because they want to buy a soda so that

985
00:42:15,590 --> 00:42:14,160
one person buys a soda another person

986
00:42:16,460 --> 00:42:15,600
could be going in because he wants to

987
00:42:18,260 --> 00:42:16,470
use the restroom

988
00:42:19,630 --> 00:42:18,270
another person could be going in because

989
00:42:21,940 --> 00:42:19,640
she plans to stick up the play

990
00:42:24,250 --> 00:42:21,950
and Robin everybody has different

991
00:42:26,020 --> 00:42:24,260
motives so what people always talk about

992
00:42:28,030 --> 00:42:26,030
like why are they here what are their

993
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:28,040
motives you're talking about the entire

994
00:42:32,350 --> 00:42:30,770
universe here so if you we have you know

995
00:42:34,510 --> 00:42:32,360
a universe teeming with life an

996
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:34,520
intelligent life all of those people you

997
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:36,800
know they're gonna be different motives

998
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:38,930
and different reasons for people and you

999
00:42:44,590 --> 00:42:41,570
know extraterrestrial civilizations

1000
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:44,600
doing what they do yeah yeah well you

1001
00:42:48,970 --> 00:42:46,640
bring up a good case and I just want to

1002
00:42:51,940 --> 00:42:48,980
touch on it briefly because of physical

1003
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:51,950
effects for anyone watching and who

1004
00:42:58,090 --> 00:42:56,240
isn't as steeped in this as we are the

1005
00:43:00,280 --> 00:42:58,100
Rendlesham case you brought up talk

1006
00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:00,290
about physical effects I mean we had

1007
00:43:06,300 --> 00:43:02,560
officers military officers on the ground

1008
00:43:09,610 --> 00:43:06,310
encounter a UFO and then have

1009
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:09,620
life-threatening ailments afterwards

1010
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:13,040
that were directly attributed to this

1011
00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:16,010
event I mean one guy in particular went

1012
00:43:21,490 --> 00:43:19,250
on to have a lawsuit with the VA to

1013
00:43:24,220 --> 00:43:21,500
cover his medical expenses because he

1014
00:43:28,090 --> 00:43:24,230
was literally dying and they were able

1015
00:43:30,190 --> 00:43:28,100
to deduce that his heart failure and the

1016
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:30,200
surgery he needed and needed to be paid

1017
00:43:36,850 --> 00:43:33,200
for what's directly because of a UFO

1018
00:43:39,610 --> 00:43:36,860
event in 1980 he won the case and VA had

1019
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:39,620
to admit that yes what happened to this

1020
00:43:44,020 --> 00:43:42,170
guy was because of whatever was in the

1021
00:43:46,180 --> 00:43:44,030
forest that night and we're gonna pay

1022
00:43:49,150 --> 00:43:46,190
for a surgery and I think this is the

1023
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:49,160
first time in history that some sort of

1024
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:52,250
military or government agency has said

1025
00:43:58,300 --> 00:43:53,450
all right

1026
00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:58,310
it was directly in involved a UFO at

1027
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:01,520
least to my knowledge so question for

1028
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:02,810
you because I know this is a case you

1029
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:04,880
followed very closely and did a lot of

1030
00:44:15,550 --> 00:44:10,240
research into but what where did the

1031
00:44:17,650 --> 00:44:15,560
claims of the the like lasers shooting

1032
00:44:21,310 --> 00:44:17,660
down come from was that is that halt on

1033
00:44:23,710 --> 00:44:21,320
his tapes when he was out yes so for

1034
00:44:25,660 --> 00:44:23,720
anyone also wondering if you want to

1035
00:44:28,780 --> 00:44:25,670
know more about this case you can go to

1036
00:44:31,300 --> 00:44:28,790
youtube and type in halt tape and this

1037
00:44:32,170 --> 00:44:31,310
is the base commander during a UFO event

1038
00:44:37,780 --> 00:44:32,180
in

1039
00:44:40,030 --> 00:44:37,790
a little creepy a little eerie when you

1040
00:44:42,220 --> 00:44:40,040
listen to it but yeah you can hear in

1041
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:42,230
those tapes him saying that whatever

1042
00:44:46,780 --> 00:44:44,450
this object was in the sky before it

1043
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:46,790
actually landed that it was shining

1044
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:49,730
beams down pencil-thin beams as he calls

1045
00:44:55,450 --> 00:44:53,210
them I believe in the in the audio uh on

1046
00:44:57,700 --> 00:44:55,460
to the bunkers the reason the reason I

1047
00:45:00,730 --> 00:44:57,710
ask that is because you know I've always

1048
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:00,740
found it fascinating that in that case

1049
00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:03,650
we've got you know that testimony of

1050
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:07,089
that action from the UFO there and

1051
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:10,250
Caloris which essentially happened at

1052
00:45:17,290 --> 00:45:12,770
the same time I mean Cloris was like 77

1053
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:17,300
78 Rendon was 79 and Cloris was all you

1054
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:18,650
know shooting lasers down and burning

1055
00:45:24,549 --> 00:45:22,490
people Hey yeah who knows who sent me of

1056
00:45:26,740 --> 00:45:24,559
the parallel between those cases this

1057
00:45:30,839 --> 00:45:26,750
could be an instance where it was the

1058
00:45:34,420 --> 00:45:30,849
same per you know craft or you know

1059
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:34,430
Chevrolet I guess Chevrolet the same

1060
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:37,130
same teenagers up for a joyride yeah

1061
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:42,530
yeah yeah well I know I've kind of

1062
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:43,760
failed at looking at the Facebook

1063
00:45:47,970 --> 00:45:45,410
comments so I'm gonna have to learn how

1064
00:45:51,490 --> 00:45:47,980
to how to make this work next time

1065
00:45:53,710 --> 00:45:51,500
integrated yes we will integrate it for

1066
00:45:58,690 --> 00:45:53,720
sure let me see what else I got here

1067
00:46:00,670 --> 00:45:58,700
before I let you go but uh oh I got to

1068
00:46:03,130 --> 00:46:00,680
get your opinion on this man so in the

1069
00:46:05,950 --> 00:46:03,140
coming week a documentary is going to

1070
00:46:08,370 --> 00:46:05,960
come out this is by the gentleman who

1071
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:08,380
made the unacknowledged documentary dr.

1072
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:15,410
Steven Greer yeah yeah I had the I was

1073
00:46:18,970 --> 00:46:16,880
going to say pleasure but that's not the

1074
00:46:22,410 --> 00:46:18,980
right word I had the opportunity I guess

1075
00:46:25,660 --> 00:46:22,420
to watch this documentary yesterday and

1076
00:46:28,930 --> 00:46:25,670
this new one that he just came out with

1077
00:46:30,250 --> 00:46:28,940
is about ce-5 so for anyone who doesn't

1078
00:46:33,130 --> 00:46:30,260
know Close Encounters of the Third Kind

1079
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:33,140
the famous movie um was part of the

1080
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:34,880
classification system that project

1081
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:38,089
Bluebook had by dr. J Allen Hynek the

1082
00:46:43,809 --> 00:46:40,640
noted astronomer who ran Blue Book along

1083
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:43,819
with several others first kind seeing a

1084
00:46:47,610 --> 00:46:45,370
UFO second kind of

1085
00:46:49,860 --> 00:46:47,620
close some sort of effect on the

1086
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:49,870
environmental people third kind is

1087
00:46:55,890 --> 00:46:52,930
literally seen occupants of a craft and

1088
00:46:57,630 --> 00:46:55,900
then the rest can sorta be argued Jacque

1089
00:47:00,960 --> 00:46:57,640
valet is sort of came up with the Fourth

1090
00:47:04,980 --> 00:47:00,970
Kind we're talking about you know actual

1091
00:47:08,130 --> 00:47:04,990
like I guess abductions yeah and then

1092
00:47:12,090 --> 00:47:08,140
fifth kind mr. Steven Greer has coined

1093
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:12,100
is communication and contact with an

1094
00:47:18,750 --> 00:47:16,450
alien race initiated or agreed upon by

1095
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:18,760
humans and this is what his new

1096
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:21,370
documentary is about ce-5 and how we can

1097
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:26,290
do this how we can contact aliens and it

1098
00:47:30,930 --> 00:47:28,330
was a treat um I'm not gonna lie it was

1099
00:47:33,660 --> 00:47:30,940
it was an interesting film but yeah

1100
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,670
Jason what are your thoughts on this

1101
00:47:38,670 --> 00:47:35,440
whole movement going on right now in

1102
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:38,680
terms of ce-5 and being able to veteran

1103
00:47:43,590 --> 00:47:42,250
UFOs or communicate with aliens to buy

1104
00:47:48,770 --> 00:47:43,600
into any of the stuff man

1105
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:48,780
so as somebody who has you know been

1106
00:47:56,460 --> 00:47:52,240
deeply involved in the world of strange

1107
00:48:01,980 --> 00:47:56,470
for so long now I I'm open to anything I

1108
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:01,990
really am I don't I don't poop who you

1109
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:05,650
know things right away I think c5 you

1110
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:07,450
know my initial reaction is I think it

1111
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:12,130
sounds ridiculous I really do and really

1112
00:48:17,820 --> 00:48:15,520
I think it's you know goes down the

1113
00:48:21,150 --> 00:48:17,830
dangerous path of almost being a cult

1114
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:21,160
and you know there there's lots of money

1115
00:48:29,100 --> 00:48:23,530
involved in learning how to do this

1116
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:29,110
special procedure and I also you know I

1117
00:48:35,610 --> 00:48:32,730
have a hard time wrapping my head around

1118
00:48:38,370 --> 00:48:35,620
extraterrestrials and their their

1119
00:48:43,830 --> 00:48:38,380
willingness or ability to to human or

1120
00:48:45,630 --> 00:48:43,840
humor humans who basically meditate or

1121
00:48:49,110 --> 00:48:45,640
pray or whatever they're doing to say

1122
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:49,120
please turn on your headlights it just

1123
00:48:53,250 --> 00:48:51,490
it seems weird to me that intelligent

1124
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:53,260
extraterrestrials from somewhere else

1125
00:48:58,890 --> 00:48:56,410
would go oh those guys want us to flash

1126
00:48:59,370 --> 00:48:58,900
our lights let's do it and give them a

1127
00:49:03,330 --> 00:48:59,380
little

1128
00:49:05,940 --> 00:49:03,340
giggle yeah I mean I don't know that

1129
00:49:08,250 --> 00:49:05,950
just seems weird to me and something

1130
00:49:11,130 --> 00:49:08,260
else I always think about when I think

1131
00:49:12,780 --> 00:49:11,140
about seeing five is that in my

1132
00:49:16,830 --> 00:49:12,790
experience and again this is just my

1133
00:49:19,290 --> 00:49:16,840
experience I don't think there's a

1134
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:19,300
magical formula for seeing UFOs or

1135
00:49:22,110 --> 00:49:21,130
having an experience I think sometimes

1136
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:22,120
it just happens

1137
00:49:30,090 --> 00:49:27,010
but in my experience not every time but

1138
00:49:32,570 --> 00:49:30,100
most times that I've actually gone out

1139
00:49:36,750 --> 00:49:32,580
with the mindset with the purpose of

1140
00:49:40,050 --> 00:49:36,760
skywatching of investing hours of my

1141
00:49:45,180 --> 00:49:40,060
life staring up at the sky looking for

1142
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:45,190
UFOs I've seen stuff and when I say I've

1143
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:47,200
seen stuff that's coming from somebody

1144
00:49:54,270 --> 00:49:50,410
who has been a UFO investigator or

1145
00:49:56,610 --> 00:49:54,280
somebody who really rules out 90% of

1146
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:56,620
what I see so when I say I've seen stuff

1147
00:50:01,320 --> 00:49:58,330
this is stuff I'm talking about stuff

1148
00:50:05,340 --> 00:50:01,330
that really defies logic stuff that I

1149
00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:05,350
can't explain away so I categorize it as

1150
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:08,110
a UFO every time I've gone out and done

1151
00:50:14,940 --> 00:50:10,720
a sky watch I've seen something that

1152
00:50:18,690 --> 00:50:14,950
goes into that category so you know it's

1153
00:50:21,210 --> 00:50:18,700
hard for me to to then think that maybe

1154
00:50:24,450 --> 00:50:21,220
people doing ce-5 they're going out

1155
00:50:29,300 --> 00:50:24,460
there investing time their focus is on

1156
00:50:33,060 --> 00:50:29,310
seeing something strange so they see it

1157
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:33,070
so does the moving the time the wand to

1158
00:50:36,420 --> 00:50:34,720
Bellini planted the method if they

1159
00:50:39,570 --> 00:50:36,430
weren't doing all of the stuff they're

1160
00:50:43,470 --> 00:50:39,580
paying money and being told to do they

1161
00:50:46,530 --> 00:50:43,480
would still experience something so I

1162
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:46,540
don't know and again like it might be

1163
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:48,250
different for everybody and you know

1164
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:51,250
that might work well for some people but

1165
00:50:53,940 --> 00:50:53,170
for me it's it's not something that I

1166
00:50:55,830 --> 00:50:53,950
need

1167
00:50:57,660 --> 00:50:55,840
you know I've demonstrated to myself

1168
00:51:01,020 --> 00:50:57,670
that I don't need that

1169
00:51:02,910 --> 00:51:01,030
because I have success seeing stuff if I

1170
00:51:06,270 --> 00:51:02,920
just go out and invest the time looking

1171
00:51:09,690 --> 00:51:06,280
for mm-hmm that's a fair answer I mean I

1172
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:09,700
I will be honest I I I'm being hard on

1173
00:51:12,910 --> 00:51:12,730
Steven Greer for many reasons for anyone

1174
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:12,920
who

1175
00:51:20,620 --> 00:51:18,170
ever met the man or heard him speak he's

1176
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:20,630
sick bodyguard fell asleep and exactly

1177
00:51:25,860 --> 00:51:22,970
watching his conference yes exactly

1178
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:25,870
um you know what we're talking about

1179
00:51:33,730 --> 00:51:30,650
personality and ego aside I came out of

1180
00:51:36,190 --> 00:51:33,740
this documentary being like huh this is

1181
00:51:40,060 --> 00:51:36,200
interesting I I don't necessarily buy

1182
00:51:42,580 --> 00:51:40,070
into it but I'm not there and I wasn't

1183
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:42,590
the person on the ground experiencing

1184
00:51:49,150 --> 00:51:46,370
that I mean one guy said that he was 99%

1185
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:49,160
death before he had an experience and

1186
00:51:55,780 --> 00:51:52,370
afterwards within moments his hearing

1187
00:51:58,660 --> 00:51:55,790
almost came fully back and internal is

1188
00:52:00,580 --> 00:51:58,670
like a little bit a little bit yeah so I

1189
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:00,590
mean when you've got sensational claims

1190
00:52:06,610 --> 00:52:03,890
like that yeah exactly so you know as

1191
00:52:10,060 --> 00:52:06,620
much as I wanted to go in it's just you

1192
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:10,070
know scathing about this thing I had to

1193
00:52:15,250 --> 00:52:13,310
be like you know what beliefs aside if

1194
00:52:17,380 --> 00:52:15,260
these people found something positive in

1195
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:17,390
their experience great I just don't like

1196
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:19,730
that someone's you know taking advantage

1197
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:21,680
of that and making money off the riots

1198
00:52:26,620 --> 00:52:24,890
so that that's where I agree and again I

1199
00:52:29,940 --> 00:52:26,630
mean we we work in the world of weird

1200
00:52:33,940 --> 00:52:29,950
like I understand that the world is

1201
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:33,950
incredibly bizarre yeah I you know

1202
00:52:39,730 --> 00:52:36,770
that's what we do we do we do strange so

1203
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:39,740
I understand that we don't we don't know

1204
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:42,530
anything about our world let alone the

1205
00:52:47,620 --> 00:52:45,890
universe so I am happy to entertain all

1206
00:52:50,350 --> 00:52:47,630
possibilities I'm happy to entertain

1207
00:52:53,980 --> 00:52:50,360
that you know by doing a special certain

1208
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:53,990
thing you can make extraterrestrials

1209
00:52:59,920 --> 00:52:56,330
respond to that I'm happy to entertain

1210
00:53:02,740 --> 00:52:59,930
that but at the same time you know using

1211
00:53:06,220 --> 00:53:02,750
the his last documentary as an example

1212
00:53:09,150 --> 00:53:06,230
you know you had dr. Nolan who was the

1213
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:09,160
doctor in the movie about Atacama

1214
00:53:16,660 --> 00:53:13,930
humanoid baby alien yes who you know I

1215
00:53:19,780 --> 00:53:16,670
mean it was misrepresented in the film

1216
00:53:22,030 --> 00:53:19,790
but you know he said yeah it's human

1217
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:22,040
it's a deformed human it's got all these

1218
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:23,690
anomalies that we can't explain but

1219
00:53:29,859 --> 00:53:26,720
we're still working on it but not alien

1220
00:53:30,070 --> 00:53:29,869
and you know Greer didn't like that too

1221
00:53:33,220 --> 00:53:30,080
much

1222
00:53:36,780 --> 00:53:33,230
right yeah God god forbid science comes

1223
00:53:39,730 --> 00:53:36,790
into this but yeah well you know um

1224
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:39,740
check it out I guess if people want to

1225
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:41,930
and make up your own mind you know all

1226
00:53:46,180 --> 00:53:44,090
this yeah yeah it's it's another

1227
00:53:48,730 --> 00:53:46,190
perspective and again we're talking

1228
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:48,740
about the unknown here and you know

1229
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:51,680
that's perfect for scam doing this stuff

1230
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:54,770
is a scammer or doing that but it makes

1231
00:53:58,450 --> 00:53:56,330
it very easy for people to do that

1232
00:54:00,880 --> 00:53:58,460
especially you know because people want

1233
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:00,890
answers to this stuff - yeah but you

1234
00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:01,970
know when you're dealing with you

1235
00:54:06,940 --> 00:54:04,609
unknown it doesn't hurt to explore all

1236
00:54:08,650 --> 00:54:06,950
possibilities and ultimately you have to

1237
00:54:11,050 --> 00:54:08,660
make up your own mind yep

1238
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:11,060
as you always say we should be doing all

1239
00:54:14,820 --> 00:54:12,890
the things all the time all the things

1240
00:54:17,859 --> 00:54:14,830
all the time

1241
00:54:19,930 --> 00:54:17,869
t-shirt comes out next week well

1242
00:54:22,660 --> 00:54:19,940
speaking of dr. Steven Greer he's going

1243
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:22,670
to be as disappointed as I am I got a

1244
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:25,250
message right before we got on here

1245
00:54:30,849 --> 00:54:28,400
today saying that contact in the desert

1246
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:30,859
the huge UFO convention the Woodstock of

1247
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:33,170
UFO conventions has officially been

1248
00:54:38,980 --> 00:54:35,359
canceled so for anyone who is planning

1249
00:54:40,660 --> 00:54:38,990
on going I'm just as bummed as you are I

1250
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:40,670
was really looking forward to it but

1251
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:42,530
just like every other convention out

1252
00:54:48,940 --> 00:54:45,440
there this is for the best and we just

1253
00:54:52,270 --> 00:54:48,950
have to get through this and get better

1254
00:54:53,950 --> 00:54:52,280
and keep doing our research and hey

1255
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:53,960
it just gives us more time to do stuff

1256
00:54:57,700 --> 00:54:56,330
like this and we got some stuff down the

1257
00:55:00,130 --> 00:54:57,710
pipeline that's going to be pretty

1258
00:55:02,380 --> 00:55:00,140
interesting I don't know if you want to

1259
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:02,390
talk about it yet Jason but other than

1260
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:05,450
that what do you got going on where can

1261
00:55:10,900 --> 00:55:07,970
we find everything you're up to and yeah

1262
00:55:14,740 --> 00:55:10,910
give it to us all right so just quickly

1263
00:55:16,570 --> 00:55:14,750
you can always find me social media I'm

1264
00:55:19,060 --> 00:55:16,580
all over the place so Twitter and

1265
00:55:22,540 --> 00:55:19,070
Instagram I'm a centric that's a CEC

1266
00:55:25,180 --> 00:55:22,550
entr I see on Facebook facebook.com

1267
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:25,190
slash the UFO geek that's pretty easy to

1268
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:27,920
remember and wrote Lana TV you can

1269
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:29,599
always find me there and you can always

1270
00:55:35,020 --> 00:55:32,480
reach us at contact at rogue planet TV

1271
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:35,030
so we are working on some interesting

1272
00:55:38,380 --> 00:55:36,050
stuff hopefully we'll make some

1273
00:55:40,570 --> 00:55:38,390
announcements soon one thing that we'll

1274
00:55:43,930 --> 00:55:40,580
be announcing this week

1275
00:55:46,060 --> 00:55:43,940
is well just watch for a Planet TV for

1276
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:46,070
that I will say that what we're

1277
00:55:53,740 --> 00:55:49,370
announcing is a new show that is related

1278
00:55:55,930 --> 00:55:53,750
to skinwalker ranch nice nice I can't

1279
00:55:58,030 --> 00:55:55,940
wait to see what that is all about and

1280
00:56:00,490 --> 00:55:58,040
you can find all of our stuff at

1281
00:56:02,350 --> 00:56:00,500
somewhere in the skies calm and like

1282
00:56:04,660 --> 00:56:02,360
Jason said we're constantly coming out

1283
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:04,670
with new stuff at rogue planet TV and

1284
00:56:09,220 --> 00:56:06,650
other than that I want to thank everyone

1285
00:56:11,620 --> 00:56:09,230
for watching again I apologize that I

1286
00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:11,630
did not get to the Facebook comments I

1287
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:13,730
will hey it's a learning process

1288
00:56:18,180 --> 00:56:16,010
for sure next time for shorter but Jason

1289
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:18,190
I got to thank you for joining me and

1290
00:56:22,930 --> 00:56:20,690
everyone keep your feet on the ground